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Katie: Hello, and welcome to the “Wellness Mama” podcast. I’m Katie from and And this episode is all a couple of holistic method to hair loss. And it takes a very distinctive angle that I’ve not seen addressed earlier than. I’m right here with two individuals I like very a lot and take into account extremely, extremely good. The first is Ian Mitchell, who has formulated many merchandise, together with a number of which are very a lot part of my day by day life now and has additionally formulated this hair treatment that addresses hair loss in a means that I’ve by no means seen earlier than and with fairly excessive outcomes. And I’m additionally right here with Dr. Tami, who’s the writer of “The Hormone Secret.” She is a doctor, and a mother, and has specialised in each beauty medication and now in stem cell medication. She’s extremely good and actually helps individuals handle the underlying reason behind every kind of issues. She likes to say that high-quality is a four-letter phrase when individuals ask how you’re and she or he actually strives to assist individuals discover limitless vitality and well being. And I’m actually excited to share her with you right now. So, with out additional ado, let’s soar in and perceive hair loss.

So, on this episode, we’re tackling a subject that I believe is absolutely essential I’ve not tackled on right here but, which is the subject of hair loss. We know this impacts numerous ladies and numerous males, actually. It’s one thing that individuals in my life have struggled with. And I really feel like there’s numerous misinformation relating to hair loss and numerous remedies that appear probably harmful, or a minimum of not efficient. And so, I’m actually excited right now to essentially delve into the roots of hair loss and in addition discuss some options that may be actually efficient. And I’m right here with Ian Mitchell and Dr. Tami who I’m attending to see in particular person after not seeing her for years, such a deal with, and two of the perfect individuals I can consider on the planet to speak about this right now. So, to begin broad like we often do, I wanna go into, type of, what’s happening physiologically within the physique after we’re seeing hair loss. Is it single trigger? Is it multi-cause? What are a few of these, to make use of the pun, roots which are happening within the physique after we’re speaking about hair loss?

Ian: Okay. So really, I believe I can soar in with a portion of that as a result of we’ve checked out it from numerous totally different approaches in say, with males, usually, everybody seems to be at dihydrotestosterone and 5-alpha-reductase, and the ratios and the balances there. But that’s really type of, because it seems, extra of a tertiary perform. It’s probably not even the secondary trigger. And it’s positively associated. And you’ll be able to see how these issues correlate. But correlation, as we all know, doesn’t at all times equal causation. And so our method has been to take a look at what we thought can be the foundation once more, to make use of the pun, the foundation reason behind the problem. And, you recognize, I at all times say this, nevertheless it’s that Henry David Thoreau quote, if you recognize it, “For every thousand hacking at the branches of evil, there’s one hacking at the root.” That’s who you wanna be is addressing what’s actually going to elicit the most important response with the minimal effort so you may get the largest yield for individuals.

So, what we’re is how can we up-regulate intracellular perform? Because the physique desires to do what it’s designed to do, proper? And follicular cells aren’t any totally different. If you present them with the sources, they don’t wish to be in an clever or catagen section. They, you recognize, wish to be in an antigen development cycle, pumping out hair. That’s what they’re designed to do. And so, we’ve checked out how to try this and provide you with what I’d say is classed extra as a holistic method however in actuality, the science simply is excellent and it’s wanting on the mix of detoxing pathways and how one can stimulate upregulation of ATP whilst you’re down-regulating cytokine responses so that you simply create probably the most conducive atmosphere in direction of selling the expansion. And so, it wasn’t…you recognize, you have been asking, is it one single level? It’s not. Like with something within the physique, it’s, you recognize, multivariate, multifunctional methods.

And so, we needed to handle a complete host of various issues to beat the problem. And I’d say really, we’ve carried out a surprisingly good job of doing that. But once more, we had to take a look at it by way of chemical pathways, detoxing pathways, photonic upregulation utilizing lights at particular frequencies to stimulate cytochrome. And there’s a litany of actually good research. I believe what we’ve carried out is mix all the greatest elements collectively in a single system, you recognize, to get the problem handled and stuck up and fairly properly. And Tami, I believe you’ll be able to most likely elucidate issues by way of, you recognize, the organic elements of the totally different cycles. So have at it.

Dr. Tami: Well, you recognize, hair loss impacts all people in a different way however I believe that we underestimate how a lot it impacts the individuals which are getting affected. Over 50% of ladies over the age of 45 have hair loss. And I do know you recognize who you’re. Your ponytail holder goes round 4 occasions now as a substitute of two or three. And males really can have hair loss as early as their 20s. And it positively is a multifactorial factor. We do have hormones concerned. We have diet. We have circulation. We have detoxing. We have vitality of the particular cell. And so there’s numerous remedies, over-the-counter and prescriptive, however I don’t know any of them…And I’m an MD and so I’m gonna take a look at it medically regardless of if it’s over-the-counter or a prescription. I don’t know of any “treatment” that doesn’t have a bunch of doubtless actually scary unintended effects. You know, issues like disrupting your entire hormone pathways in women and men, making your entire system shut down with regard to libido. There’s so many. I might go on and on and on, and even the topical ones are having these unintended effects as properly.

Then we’ve people who find themselves similar to, “Well, I’m just not gonna shower as much,” or, “I’m just not gonna brush my hair as much.” Well, what you’re actually doing is you’re simply not permitting the hairs which are already dislodged from the follicle to fall out, you aren’t saving any hairs by not showering. You’re not saving any hairs by not brushing. There’s really 4 levels of hair development. There’s three which are in style, however there’s really a…popularly talked about, however there’s a fourth one. There’s the antigen section, which is the lively development section. And that’s the one the place your hairs are most vulnerable to hair loss from like laser hair elimination, but additionally they’re going to develop extra. So, any remedy that you’ve got, and if you happen to’re utilizing the system that we’re speaking about, which is restore hair loss, then you definitely’re going to have to make use of it for sufficient time for the hairs to undergo all of the phases as a result of not all your hairs are within the antigen section at one time. If they have been, then they’d all be within the exigent section, which is the falling out section.

And then we’d be like Phoenix, proper? We’d molt. That wouldn’t work. So, there’s the antigen section. And then you definitely go to the catagen section, which is that this resting transitional section the place your hairs have stopped their lively development, however they’re preparing they usually haven’t fallen out but. And then you could have the telogen section the place that’s really the place it’s dislodging. And then the exigent section is when it really falls out. And that’s all you’re doing is you’re simply serving to the exigent section if you’re brushing. But I would like you to know that circulation is absolutely essential. You do have to have circulation as one of many many elements that can assist your hair develop. So, we’ve a system that has a derma curler as a result of it will increase the blood movement to your scalp. And that’s tremendous essential. Not solely does that assist your entire system…Even if you happen to simply did that, that might be useful. But it additionally will assist the serum as a result of extra blood movement helps the circulation and helps it get it into the scalp extra usually and extra regularly and penetrate higher.

Katie: And I believe for individuals listening relating to hair loss or hair development and possibly understanding these hair cycles, one instance that may come to thoughts for them is being pregnant. Because I do know having had youngsters myself, it looks as if throughout being pregnant, my hair would get actually, actually thick. So I’m guessing there’s a distinction within the cycles or one thing’s occurring there. And then numerous ladies expertise postpartum hair loss. So are you able to clarify what’s happening or what adjustments throughout being pregnant and any means that that may be relevant to our understanding of stopping hair loss?

Dr. Tami: That’s a hormone base. So, when you could have your being pregnant, you could have a excessive degree of progesterone and your estrogen are steady, and it’s not fluctuating up and down. So your hairs type of get caught into this excellent full and nothing’s falling out. But then you could have your child and every little thing flows. And often, ladies begin to discover that their hair actually adjustments when their durations begin coming again. You can see after being pregnant that your hair does begin to fall out proper after the child as a result of that’s when your hormones go down. And hormones are a part of hair loss in women and men. And so we wish to guarantee that if you’re going to judge hair loss, we wish to know just a little bit about it. We wish to educate you. When you opt-in to get one thing that’s going that can assist you develop your hair, you also needs to be given some training about all the assorted features, and hormones ought to be certainly one of them. Nutrition ought to be one other one, like I mentioned, circulation, after which the ATP and the mitochondria and getting the vitality in order that your cells can really make new hair.

Ian: So, there are a few fascinating hacks that we’ve checked out. So we’ve damaged issues down by way of the kits of the way to do it as quick, quicker, and quickest. And quickest is type of humorous to me since you use photonics. And so, principally what occurs is you’re taking LEDs, and LEDs at round 670-nanometer bandwidth will have an effect on the cell cycle. And in order that they photonically stimulate the cell cycle. They hit a factor referred to as cytochrome after which they bump nitric oxide out of the best way and substitute it with a pleasant oxygen. And so it’s successfully forcibly shifting the oxidative phosphorylation, the electron transport chain by. And so you find yourself with increased rapidity within the development cycle. So it seems that it’s really going actually quick. But principally what you’re doing is you’re overclocking your intrinsic mobile development cycle. And so, if you mix that with among the different issues that we’re doing, just like the scalp masks, which it’s a once-a-week course of the place you detoxify the follicles.

So, we’re considering if you happen to method it from the skin and also you take away all of the issues like, you recognize, the parabens and the totally different stuff that you simply’re really additively putting if you wash your hair and also you clear and you place merchandise in it, if you take away that, numerous the expansion will get suppressed simply since you’re inhibiting your physique’s regular cycles, proper? It’s going to provide issues, oil goes to return out. But if you happen to inhibit that with numerous chemical components, you could have each the chemical stress along with really mechanical stress positioned on it by not having correct viscosity in varied small areas like follicles. And little adjustments like which are additive. And within the quickest setup, we use the photonics to attempt to set off the cycle in order that it bumps up the tempo. So it has the looks…and I’m certain we may give you some photos you’ll be able to put up. But when individuals see it, they assume, “Well, that’s not possible. You can’t grow hair that rapidly.” Yeah, really, you’ll be able to, it’s simply artificially stimulating the cell cycle to course of by. And so it has the web impact of upregulating ATP manufacturing, dropping the cell cycle occasions. And so, on the finish of the day, you appear to be you could have much more hair than it’s best to have in a a lot shorter interval, as is evidenced by, you recognize, the images. And, admittedly, it’s just a little stunning.

But if you method it systemically and say, “Okay, we’ve gotta take out the chemical stress so we can clean the environment so that the cells can actually do it.” We did a bunch of issues utilizing totally different minerals to detoxify the system and in addition to dam oxidative stress contained in the cells. And the web impact of that, it’s similar to another initiatives I’d labored on the place we began sub-cellular constraints by way of ATP manufacturing. And we figured oh, properly, we cannot actually add vitality into the system like we’re doing with photons, we simply can merely hold it from shedding the vitality that it inherently has. So you simply make the physique perform extra successfully by blocking system loss. So if you block the loss and also you add in additional vitality, you find yourself with a web impact the place every little thing is shifting a lot extra quickly that it seems to be like this, type of, magical twist nevertheless it’s actually not. It’s simply, type of, synergistic additive results of various stimulation.

Katie: I like that you simply guys contact on the detoxing side as a result of this was really one thing I went actually deep on when researching for our haircare merchandise, realizing we all know as ladies we’re uncovered to numerous chemical compounds by private care merchandise. And a overwhelming majority of these are haircare merchandise. And it’s, type of, an ideal storm as a result of we’re stripping our pure oils with numerous these actually harsh detergents. And then many ladies are spraying aerosols, and parabens, and plastics instantly on our hair and our scalp. And then it’s a continuing degree of publicity, our scalp is uncovered to those all day, on daily basis. And these do construct up we’re now understanding. And so, I used to be excited to deal with that from the haircare side. But that alone isn’t going to reverse the hair loss points. That was why I used to be so excited to essentially delve into this with you guys. And I believe there’s so many instructions to go from right here.

But I like that you simply introduced up, Tami, the diet aspect and the hormone aspect as properly. And I do know it’s very a lot a each/and dialog. But I believe it’s additionally essential to speak about that aspect just a little bit to type of get the holistic understanding of that as a result of usually on-line, I see sources simply speaking about, “Oh, just take biotin and that’ll fix it.” And that makes me nervous with my background in genetic analysis as a result of if you take particularly an remoted vitamin like that in megadoses, it may well throw numerous different issues out of steadiness, or in some individuals, there are genes that reply actually negatively to extra biotin. And that appears to be the mainstream hair loss recommendation. So are you able to, type of, give us a primer on the hormone aspect and the diet aspect?

Dr. Tami: Absolutely. And only one little tidbit on the detox aspect as properly. You know, there’s hair care merchandise which are clear they usually’ll take away all of that junk out of your hair. But we neglect that these chemical compounds really enter into the cells of your scalp and into the follicles. And so that you simply really have to detox your cells. And so it’s nearly like that you simply do have to have a masks or some type of a serum that pulls out the chemical compounds which have been saved or leached into your cells. So, simply keep in mind, clear hair isn’t detoxed hair.

So, I like hormones. My favourite hormone for girls is testosterone as a result of no one ever thinks about it. They don’t discuss it and we want it, and just a little tiny bit has an outsized function in how we glance, really feel, and performance. But testosterone isn’t the tip of our hormone story. Testosterone can turn out to be different issues and it may well turn out to be estrogen, it may well turn out to be dihydrotestosterone, and it may well turn out to be different estrogens.

And the beauty of hormone cascade is that it’s like going from one step to a different step that could be a secret is required for that step to occur. And the bottom line is usually a vitamin or a mineral. They’re referred to as coenzymes. But the issue is, is that if you happen to simply begin randomly taking issues, like Katie was saying, that you simply don’t know if in case you have that lacking coenzyme. And you’ll be able to really change the complete biochemical path within the reverse means if you happen to add one thing that you simply don’t want. So, there are some things that it’s best to search for, I’m not telling you to take them, however it’s best to search for, do you could have iron deficiency? That’s an enormous one. And individuals at all times say to me, “Oh, I eat well. I eat clean. I eat organic. I eat whatever.” Does that imply you’re absorbing it? And in order that’s a very massive challenge for us to know and so that you can know. And abdomen acid is tremendous essential so that you can soak up iron. Iron is absorbed in an acidic atmosphere. And if you happen to take antacids of any variety, there’s an opportunity that you’ve got a gentle iron deficiency. So, studying about how your physique absorbs issues, I believe nutritionally is the largest a part of the story, reasonably than making an attempt to simply take one or two dietary supplements.

Katie: And then relating to the mainstream, type of, extra well-known hair remedies which are getting used proper now…So I’ve seen some which are topical, I’ve seen commercials, a minimum of. I discussed individuals take numerous biotin, means an excessive amount of often. With these methods, what’s really occurring or how are they making an attempt to deal with hair loss? And possibly give us a few of, like, the risk-benefit evaluation there and why these aren’t essentially good within the long-term.

Dr. Tami: For certain. Well, the topical are literally medicines. You know, there’s a model identify referred to as Rogaine and it’s an precise medicine that’s used topically. And it inhibits the enzyme…5 alpha-reductase is definitely residing in your hair follicle and it really is concerned in hair loss by the manufacturing of DHT, and it inhibits it on the follicular ranges. So, it’s efficient. But similar to your skincare needs to be checked out as if one thing that’s gonna be absorbed into your physique, your scalp can also be going to get absorbed into your physique. And so, these medicines have been identified to have a bunch of hormonal disruption. And so, why would you try this when there’s pure alternate options? There’s additionally issues that you may take orally, Propecia and issues like that, that once more might be very efficient, however it’ll disrupt your hormones. Anything that you simply ingest that’s imagined to disrupt your hormones is unquestionably gonna have a downward impact in your entire hormone tree, not simply that one that you really want.

So, each single factor that’s available on the market has an elevated danger and a few of them aren’t even authorised for girls and also you don’t even know that. If you’re going to strive a few of these merchandise, I problem you to take out the bundle insert and skim these tiny, tiny, tiny little phrases. You can take an image of it along with your telephone if it’s essential blow it up and really learn it as a result of they don’t need you to learn it as a result of the unintended effects are scary, they usually’re long-term as properly. Sometimes they don’t go away simply since you cease utilizing it.

Katie: And there’s clearly some hormonal variations between women and men. And Ian you touched on this just a little bit so far as…So I’m curious how that is…and also you talked in broad phrases, however is it efficient on each women and men? Because I believe that’s an enormous key. We’re seeing, such as you talked about, these merchandise that have been primarily geared in direction of males however ladies at the moment are utilizing them too as we see increasingly more hair loss in ladies. We’re seeing like they’ve unintended effects that aren’t protected, particularly if ladies are in search of postpartum hair loss cures. But as a result of I’d guess there are, type of, possibly totally different pathways, various things occurring in males versus ladies, are you able to, type of, stroll us by what’s occurring in these totally different instances and the way it’s addressing each?

Ian: Yeah, so we even have every little thing arrange, and it’s bifurcated between women and men. So, we’ve two totally different setups. Case in level, we’re really doing an IRB trial for COVID lengthy haulers as a result of 65%, really the standing is just a little over 65% of all of the people who find themselves having lengthy haul points are reporting hair loss, and that’s something over 100 strands a day. So, noticeable, noticeable sizes. But what’s intriguing is there appears to be a preponderance of ladies. And if you begin to take a look at that, and clearly, nobody is aware of for sure and the info is unquestionably coming in as individuals do increasingly more analysis, however one of many issues that’s manifestly obvious is that, like Tami was simply alluding to, issues in your scalp are associated to every little thing in your physique as a result of it transfers by. And, you recognize, therefore like finasteride, you could have points with hormonal dysregulation for males that may actually trigger chemical castration and a complete host of different not-so-fun issues that…You know, actually, that’s one of many causes I’d by no means even method that’s simply because the cost-benefit evaluation could be very skewed in a single path and it’s not a constructive one for my part.

But if you take a look at what’s happening with the preponderance of the people who find themselves shedding hair being feminine, you begin to…or a minimum of I did, I began to assume, “Well, why is this?” And so, in our discussions, we have been it and one of many essential options is that as a result of it’s a hormonal perform partially, it’s important to take a look at what’s driving that, the communication between your endocrine system. And with ladies, there’s a a lot increased density of mitochondria of their ovaries, proper? And it’s a part of the reproductive system. It’s very a lot hormonally linked, proper? And so COVID lengthy haulers, there’s a mitochondrial dysregulation that happens. And so, the ovaries have roughly 100,000 mitochondria per cell. And the following is 5,000 within the coronary heart.

So, by way of mitochondrial density, you’re , in a lady, it’s ovaries, coronary heart, mind, eyes. And in a person, it’s coronary heart, mind, eyes. And you’re seeing like within the German research on lengthy haulers that there have been post-COVID sufferers who had dysregulation in males, their coronary heart perform in over 85% of the instances. So, it’s not an actual far stretch to say, properly, there’s clearly this cascaded mitochondrial dysregulation occurring and it’s additionally affecting the methods of communication by way of simply hormonal steadiness with the endocrine system. So, how can we take care of that? So, we began how can we steadiness out the hormones? And therefore the extra dietary supplements which are for males are totally different than the extra dietary supplements which are for girls. So we are able to handle and, type of, once more, hit on the trigger, you recognize, and take a look at the very best leverage factors, which on this case actually do appear to be a drop in systemic communication due to dysregulation within the reproductive system and because it hyperlinks to the endocrine system.

Dr. Tami: The different hormone that’s tremendous essential for hair development and hair loss is cortisol. High ranges of stress have been identified to haven’t solely your hair not develop but additionally trigger hair loss. We see that after sickness. We see that after COVID. We see that even simply if you’re stressed.

Ian: Presidency.

Dr. Tami: Yes, you’ll be able to take a look at the president. One of the issues that we all know is that cortisol at excessive sustained ranges, we simply weren’t designed for that, proper? Your adrenal glands are these tiny little walnut-sized glands that sit on prime of your kidneys they usually’re there that can assist you run away from a bear. That most likely ought to have lasted about two minutes. And by that point, you both have gotten away otherwise you have been eaten. We weren’t designed to maintain this. And so when you could have a stress that your physique perceives as a bear, however is definitely simply your boss, your deadline, your loved ones, your stress, your inbox, your visitors, your private home, all of this stuff hold your cortisol ranges up. That does two issues.

One is it will increase the hormones and chemical compounds in your physique that break issues down. You’ll most likely discover that your pores and skin doesn’t look nearly as good both as a result of your collagen is breaking down. Collagen is a part of your hair. So, the issues which are breaking down go quicker. And then the issues that construct, construct new collagen, construct your pores and skin, construct your hair, they’re not being made as a result of the adrenal glands are busy with cortisol. So, not solely is it the hormones of being a person or a feminine, it’s additionally the hormone of stress cortisol.

Katie: That’s such an essential level. And I’ve talked earlier than about this type of in a assorted method in that lots of people, I believe, simply consider stress by way of “I feel stressed” and that actual set off. But our our bodies, such as you talked about, understand stress and have that response from quite a lot of issues. And it might be the inaccurate kind of sunshine on the mistaken time of day. It might be your job, your boss, simply visitors, no matter it’s, or it might be issues like even low-level chemical publicity. We have so many extra inputs relating to cortisol I really feel like proper now in society, actually COVID, and lockdown, and all of the issues we’ve been by prior to now yr, it’s apparent to see stress and the way that’s affecting all of us. And so, I believe that’s such a very good level, too, is like addressing all of these.

My private expertise being that, I didn’t even understand, I had low-level stress for a few years attributable to previous trauma. And I ignored that for a very very long time and simply centered on what I used to be consuming and the dietary supplements, and figured that might repair it. And it actually wasn’t till I addressed that and realized I most likely was not in parasympathetic very a lot for an especially very long time and noticed firsthand what a distinction that made as a result of all of the well being issues I assumed I used to be gonna repair with all of those different dietary supplements and loopy protocols all resolved themselves once I handled the underlying stress. And so I believe cortisol is a big key. And I similar to to remind individuals, it’s not nearly feeling burdened. You even have to take a look at issues that your physique is perceiving as stress, even if you happen to don’t essentially really feel the emotion of stress.

Dr. Tami: I at all times inform my sufferers that your adrenal glands don’t know the distinction between a marriage and a funeral. They’re tense. And so, it doesn’t matter what you are feeling. Just such as you have been saying, Katie, it actually doesn’t. The different factor about stress is I believe that it’s such a disservice that we as medical medical doctors may have sufferers who come to us now greater than ever speaking about stress after which we’ll inform them the way to…we propose to lower their stress. Really? That’s so lame. And then how about my different favourite, handle your stress? What does that even imply, handle your stress? Your 5-year-old can’t get their dinner, your boss continues to be a jerk, your venture continues to be due tomorrow. There’s nonetheless a lot happening.

So what I’ve provide you with is…that is my very own little, kind of, story about stress. Stress occurs. Stress is like consuming. And we eat and meals will get throughout our tooth. And if it stays there, it causes cavities and gum illness. It can really trigger coronary heart illness. The micro organism from the gums can go right down to the…it may well trigger full havoc in your entire physique. So what can we do? We brush and floss, proper? How usually? At least as soon as a day. Oftentimes greater than that. Why? Because you’ll be able to’t cease consuming. It’s the very same with stress. Stress isn’t going away. It’s similar to the meals in your tooth. But we’ve to brush and floss our cells from the stress every day. And one of the best ways that I do know is meditation, not medicine however meditation. And there’s a plethora of analysis that helps that it decreases the hormones and chemical compounds of stress.

Katie: That’s such an incredible analogy. I like that. I’m gonna use that once more, for certain. I’ll quote you for certain. And I like that you simply guys are taking the holistic method to this. I believe there’s a few extra areas we have to go deep on as a result of it’s fascinating to me. And you talked about photons and also you talked about I believe enzymes and minerals and numerous issues which are most likely not being included within the mainstream dialog about hair loss. And I do know that you simply guys, realizing each of you could have examined this actually rigorously and also you’ve seen unbelievable outcomes throughout the board. So I’d love so that you can, type of, discuss the way you pulled in all these elements and what they’re particularly doing to the physique that’s inflicting these excessive outcomes.

Ian: Okay. So, wanting from the sub-cellular elements first. So, we’re utilizing particular minerals to dam oxidative stress on the inside mitochondrial membrane. And so the web impact of that part is that it up-regulates ATP manufacturing. Now, as I alluded to earlier, it’s not really including an ATP. It’s simply maintaining you from shedding it. So you could have extra electrons to truly put into the system. So your electron transport chain kicks out extra items of vitality. And it pertains to, like, the lengthy haulers as a result of these guys are successfully having a symptom referred to as the Warburg impact. And principally what which means is that your physique will get shunted into glycolysis contained in the cells. And so that you get 2 items of vitality out in lieu of 36. So, you’re at an enormous loss. And the web impact for hair is the follicles simply can’t produce the best way they might. So, in these cells, by advantage of upregulating the encompassing cells, you find yourself with a profit. So, we’re utilizing minerals to try this in a selected mix, to handle one part.

Then we’ve checked out the way to stimulate development elements and get the cells to set off their very own development elements. And we’re doing that by groupings of very particular groupings of amino acids. And if you acquire these and also you drop them in, there are particular affinities contained in the cell that can bind with several types of amino acids. And it up-regulates the cell perform. And so, in one other part, that’s an additive cycle. And then you definitely begin wanting on the different aspect of the wave as a result of, you recognize, in order for you one thing to extend in power, you regulate its amplitude. And so it’s important to take a look at the highest aspect and the underside aspect. So, the underside aspect on this situation is detox pathways. So, once more, with that, we’re utilizing mixtures of pure compounds, a number of minerals, you recognize, the usual stuff that individuals would see, however then a few non-standard holistic elements which are just a little bit extra esoteric that individuals don’t usually play with as a result of we wished to have the ability to pull out toxins.

And that’s essential as a result of you’ll be able to solely reconstruct one thing if in case you have an atmosphere to reconstruct. It would, like, be akin to constructing a home and by no means ever taking away the particles as you construct the home. You know, at a sure level, you simply merely can’t restore it as a result of there are too many impediments in your means. So, as soon as per week, we do a full deep scalp detox. And then each time you apply the serum, there’s a minor intracellular detox perform that happens. So you’ve bought, type of, the macroscopic method with the follicular cell detox on the floor and then you definitely’ve bought the microscopic method with the intracellular detox. And then we’ve used totally different lipid chains, that are simply, you recognize, the flamboyant science phrase for fat, totally different lipid chains to stimulate the cells and to supply the bottom for among the energetic elements to truly bind after which to drop into the vitality manufacturing cycle.

So, it’s simply wanting on the totality of how do you amp up the positives? How do you diminish the negatives? And then how do you, extra importantly, create a complete atmosphere in order that every little thing can do what it’s imagined to do? Because, once more, we’re going again to the physique is aware of what it’s imagined to do. It simply wants the impediments taken out of its means. And then we do a few additional hacks, just like the photonics stuff. And that’s really…There’s an incredible physique of analysis on low-level laser remedy. And among the greatest analysis I learn after we have been doing this got here out of Harvard. And there’s a litany of it, and I’d suggest that anyone learn it as a result of it’s important to in our system, you steadiness it out. You’ll do, you recognize, photonic stimulation for 10 days, and then you definitely’ll take 7 days off. And the rationale for that’s, the technical time period is a biphasic dose-response curve, which principally signifies that if you transcend a sure level, it doesn’t have a useful impact, it has a detrimental impact. So, you’ll be able to construct up the response within the cell cycle by overclocking it for roughly 10 to 13 days. But then if you transcend that time, it drops down and really goes to a decrease state energetically than it was previous to beginning.

So, if you’re utilizing a factor referred to as a Janus mediator, which is what this triggers, and it’s Janus from the Greek god of two faces, proper? And so the biphasic part permits us to essentially amp issues up. But then it’s important to undergo a interval of integration the place you reset. And like the rest, you wouldn’t work out on daily basis of the week, seven days per week as arduous as you might since you would possibly find yourself with one thing like rhabdomyolysis. So, not that that might ever occur as a result of solely individuals who have by no means heard of it find yourself with rhabdomyolysis. That mentioned, so you’ll be able to stimulate it however it’s important to permit your physique time to combine. So, we’ve a program that’s lined out so that you simply’ll do 10 days on the place you overclock the cell cycle and then you definitely drop out for 7 days in order that it resets and goes again to its unique place. And then as soon as it’s at stasis once more, then you definitely start the overclocking. And we map that out over time to see what the perfect response was and that’s what examined out the perfect.

So, the mix of these after which the extra dietary supplements. So you’ve bought the scalp masking so you’ll be able to detox. You’ve bought the serum that you simply use to do the intracellular detox and upregulation of cell perform. And then you definitely’ve bought the photonic stimulation, and then you definitely even have the complement part which are balanced for women and men to be able to handle the hormonal elements. And additionally circulation and, you recognize, do the derma rolling as a result of there’s a complete host of advantages to stimulating the circulation up there as a result of usually, your scalp doesn’t have a ton of it. But along with that, it’s additionally doing collagenases since you’re creating micro-fissures within the cells and round your scalp. And so, the web impact is your physique tries to restore it. And the issues that we included to stimulate the expansion elements additionally set off the expansion there. So it’s, once more, an additive impact one on prime of the opposite. Tami.

Dr. Tami: The different a part of it, you recognize, I used to follow solely as a beauty surgeon, or a beauty doctor reasonably, non-surgical, after which moved into stem cell remedy. So that is tremendous enjoyable to return into the beauty, however I can let you know that one of many issues that I made certain that I did is I’d scent, contact, and really feel every little thing that I beneficial for my sufferers. And I can let you know that each one of that is luxurious. The serum is that this beautiful purple. And it’s naturally like that. It doesn’t stink as a result of you aren’t going to go put smelly stuff in your hair regardless of if it really works or not. And it feels good. The derma curler doesn’t harm. You don’t want to fret about it. So not solely is that this going to work. It’s going to be a nice expertise. And in order that’s actually essential if you happen to’re going to do one thing that’s gonna work, I believe that it shouldn’t be, like, grit your tooth, and plug your nostril, and suck it up. And that’s why we got here up with this method, the hair loss system, as a substitute of it simply being a one-off product.

Katie: That’s an incredible level. I’m glad you introduced that up as a result of actually, we see that so much within the well being world. There’s numerous issues which are actually useful and persons are simply not going to do them as a result of it’s a foul expertise. Well, like, an instance that involves thoughts, a good friend of mine, who you guys really know as properly now, eats uncooked liver on a regular basis for the iron. And I’ve began doing this as properly. I’ll simply swallow a bunch of uncooked liver within the morning with simply water. It doesn’t style that nice, nevertheless it’s extraordinarily efficient for vitality. And most individuals I point out that to won’t ever, by no means, by no means strive it as a result of it’s not a nice expertise.

But I believe to circle again to a few belongings you talked about, Ian, I believe that have been actually essential to focus on. The first being that typically probably the most useful factor is subtractive. But that’s what the detox half is essential. And usually, I believe we get caught up within the additive and we wanna simply hold doing increasingly more issues. And we don’t handle that aspect as a lot. And additionally that dose-dependent response that extra isn’t at all times higher and biking. I’ve talked about that a lot and even I say I don’t do something on daily basis, whether or not it dietary supplements, whether or not it’s train. The physique is extraordinarily adaptive however you don’t wanna do every little thing each single day. So I like that you simply introduced up each of these factors. I do know that we’re going to get the query from numerous listeners about security throughout being pregnant and nursing. We have numerous mothers that hear. And as we already talked about, hair loss is a standard factor that may associate with these phases of life. So, are you able to give any particular steerage for mothers who’re pregnant and nursing?

Ian: Well, as I’m not a medical physician, nor do I play one on TV, I’ll take the primary crack at this. Yeah, based mostly on the elements that we’ve included in every little thing…And there was a technique of going by and different issues, a few of which labored extremely properly. But on the finish of the day, the thought was to have probably the most holistic course of in order that there wasn’t something that you’d find yourself being broken by or ran the chance of getting issues with. And all people, type of, shies away from it. But personally talking, if if you happen to wished to truly eat this compound, it wouldn’t be detrimental. It can be extremely useful for you. And you might additionally likewise use it topically with nice profit. So, actually by way of, although it’s not terribly in style to say, you recognize, people who find themselves pregnant or nursing…One, I’m not aspiring to diagnose, deal with, or forestall any situation with this. But yeah, it could be completely high-quality and protected. There’s not something inherent in any of the compounds that might toss stuff out of kilter. It’s type of useful all the best way round.

Dr. Tami: And I believe the opposite factor to recollect is, you recognize, once I take a look at one thing as an MD, I don’t go by simply is it FDA authorised or FDA says it’s protected or not. So, then I do my very own evaluation and go, “Okay, well, what is this made of? So would this disrupt hormones?” Of course, that might be a very powerful factor in being pregnant. The reply isn’t any. It’s only a sequence of amino acids and issues. So, in concept, you might consider this as the identical means as an avocado face masks. It is pure substances which are put topically so that there’s not going to be any hurt for being pregnant or breastfeeding.

Katie: I’d love to speak just a little bit extra about how shortly it really works as a result of I do know I’ve seen some fairly superb leads to individuals I do know personally. And I do know you guys each personally. So I’ve gotten, type of, some insider info right here. But I believe most individuals have the notion that hair loss is a really lengthy course of to resolve as a result of the hair development course of is so sluggish. And I do know you guys have tried this in numerous several types of instances. So, what are you seeing so far as outcomes and, type of, timeline?

Dr. Tami: So, Ian despatched me the pictures and I’m like, “Yeah, we can’t say this.” We can’t say that that there’s this a lot hair development in 4 weeks as a result of it doesn’t make sense. It doesn’t make sense. It doesn’t observe my medical textbook data about how lengthy it takes to develop hair and the cycles. And then he jogged my memory that in fact it isn’t following the identical cycles. That’s the entire level of the properties of this serum. It’s up-leveling the cycles. So, as loopy because it sounds, it’s 4 weeks. We will see important hair development in 4 weeks. I hold saying, “No, no, no, no, don’t say that. Say 12 weeks.” But I hold seeing these photos at 4 weeks and it’s plain.

Ian: Yeah, a part of that’s biohacking, proper? We’re developing with a special approach to elicit a really particular response. And on this case, it was simply the parameters have been this. And so, you recognize, make the hair develop as quickly as you’ll be able to, make it as wholesome as you’ll be able to, and make the method very elegant. And it does it properly. And yeah, we’ve gone forwards and backwards about this however you shouldn’t have to beat the disbelief of issues and simply let individuals discuss it themselves. That’s, I believe, really the perfect factor by way of one thing like this the place there’s positively going to be some reluctance to simply accept that issues can occur extra quickly than they usually would occur in a organic setting. But if you happen to change the constraints, and on this case, you recognize, we’re doing the rapidity with photonics. So it’s not…

I imply, simply learn the Harvard analysis. It’s there. No one had ever grouped it along with a system of elements that might do all of this, however the person elements have been there. It’s type of akin to strolling in a room with all the components for a bicycle. And most individuals would possibly take a look at it and go, “Well, it’s just a bunch of strange sprockets and wheels.” But if you recognize what it’s imagined to appear to be, and also you assemble it in the fitting vogue, then you could have this factor that does all these loopy issues and it accelerates your velocity. And that’s principally it. So, it was a complete host of disparate issues that hadn’t been addressed earlier than. But yeah. And, you recognize, in beneath a month, you’ll see a profound distinction. And that’s the best way it ought to work. Right? You know, higher science.

I imply, I assure, 100 years from now, assuming, you recognize, the wheels are nonetheless on the buses of society and we’re shifting ahead collectively as a species, this may appear archaic and sluggish. And there’ll most likely be some kind of factor the place, oh, my God, it took two hours, actually? It ought to have solely taken 20 minutes. You know, so this may appear, you recognize, sluggish against this, however proper now, it simply occurs to be…for, you recognize, the temporal level we’re at proper now, that is most likely the perfect factor I’ve seen, and by far and away the quickest, and in addition pure and gained’t harm you, which is…And Tami most likely would have overwhelmed me with a stick if I had proposed to do it with any, kind of, oddball compound that had unusual unintended effects. You know, this may do it however they’ll be radioactive for 3 days. That was taken off of the desk. Its secret ingredient is thorium. Yeah, that most likely wouldn’t have rolled properly.

But yeah, it’s simply that, it’s higher science and higher medication simply put collectively, you recognize, in a system. And once more, as a result of we’ve all talked about this, you’ll be able to’t handle the way to heal the physique properly except you handle the physique in all of its totally different part methods as a result of it’s not only one factor. You can’t pop a tablet, you’ll be able to’t simply smear a serum on. That is not going to work. And if you happen to can trick the physique, you recognize, ala finasteride, to dam one thing, you recognize, in a follicular path so it’s not doing what it’s imagined to do, yeah, you are able to do that. But sadly, there’s a consequence to that. You know, I imply, this strikes in accord. It’s type of just like the aikido model of issues. We’re utilizing the physique’s vitality with it in lieu of making an attempt to hit it in a detrimental vogue.

So yeah, it’s quicker and higher. It’s the Buckminster Fuller ephemeralization, you recognize, quicker, higher, smarter, cheaper. And hopefully, that can, you recognize, get some kind of shift within the market that different individuals see this and go, “Oh, there’s a better way to do it.” Because I assure, we gained’t be the one those who…we is likely to be the primary those who have figured this out, however hopefully, we gained’t be the one those who determine it out. It ought to elicit a change throughout the market the place individuals go, “Oh, well, look at this. These guys are making a way of doing it the right way. We should do the same thing.” And in the end, I imply, I do know the three of us, what we’re all making an attempt to do is transfer the needle. So…

Katie: And this can be a query I didn’t assume to ask you guys forward of time. So if the reply is that you simply don’t know but or that you may’t discuss it, I completely perceive that. But does this work anyplace that there are hair follicles? I’m considering particularly for there’s lots of people listening who’ve thyroid points, and I used to have Hashimoto’s. There might be hair loss on the eyebrows and even eyelashes with thyroid points. I do know that is possibly most likely not geared in direction of use by the eyes. So possibly you reply this from the angle of is it okay to make use of close to the eyes and/or might it probably be useful there as properly?

Dr. Tami: Yay, I’m so glad you requested. The reply is sure. And we actually have a charity nonprofit the place individuals who undergo chemotherapy lose their eyelashes and eyebrows, and this may be utilized safely and it may well assist develop again your follicles. Absolutely.

Ian: Yeah, that was, once more, going again to the thought of being protected throughout the board, additionally facial hair. And that’s one other actually good one which I believe it’s extra of a beauty factor however lots of people which have patchy beards and issues like that can wish to use the identical system there. One of the opposite questions that lots of people who previous to testing it requested was, is that this going to develop hair in locations the place I don’t have hair? No, it gained’t. It will stimulate collagen nevertheless it’s not going to stimulate new hair in unusual spots the place you don’t have it.

Katie: That’s humorous.

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I suppose just a little little bit of a deviation however since I’ve you each right here and other people would possibly ask this query as a follow-up. You talked about the expansion cycles of hair and I believe laser hair elimination, and I’m curious…I’ve gotten a good quantity of questions on that and if it’s protected recently. And I don’t know offhand the info on laser hair elimination and if it’s protected. It looks as if it’s utilizing a special…It’s most likely doing type of the other nearly of what that is. It’s utilizing these in a nonbeneficial means from the hair follicle perspective versus a useful means. But simply any ideas? I do know, it’s a deviation on the protection of laser hair elimination.

Dr. Tami: No worries. I’m most likely uniquely capable of reply this as a result of I simply bought my medical spa that I owned for 13 years the place we had two totally different lasers that have been used for hair elimination. And they’re protected. Now, they’re not protected for you in being pregnant. Why? Because they haven’t been examined. And gentle frequency can probably, you recognize, go penetrate the place we don’t need it to. But for normal individuals, it’s utilizing gentle and it really goes down and it’s a warmth factor. And there’s really a hair bulb and a hair bulge means, means, means down. And if you happen to’ve ever gotten your hair waxed and, you recognize, you checked out it, and there’s that like waxy little bulb on the finish, that’s what it’s. And there’s like a tiny little stem cell there, too. It’s damaging the hair bulb and the hair bulge in order that it may well’t regrow.

Katie: That’s fascinating and actually good to know. And I’m positively very excited to be making an attempt your guys’ product as properly. And I’m curious, it looks as if it’s gonna work actually shortly anyway. But is there the rest we are able to do since we’re speaking about the entire holistic method, whether or not or not it’s diet, whether or not or not it’s, I’d guess managing our cortisol higher? So I at all times suggest get gentle within the morning in order that your physique is aware of that it’s morning. Stop getting gentle at evening in order that your physique is aware of it’s nighttime. That impacts cortisol fairly a bit. So do the apparent ways in which we are able to handle stress. But are there different issues we are able to do to, type of, even, like, give our physique the inner enhance as properly and make this much more efficient?

Dr. Tami: I believe that fasting is a very massive matter proper now, each water fasting, long-term fasting, intermittent fasting. And I at all times have a philosophy that one thing might be proper nevertheless it may not be best for you, and it may not be best for you proper now. And so, fasting and making an attempt to develop hair on the similar time isn’t a good suggestion. That’s one factor. Now, if you happen to’re simply delaying your breakfast and having a higher interval of not consuming, then that’s not the identical and, you recognize, intermittent fasting. But we wanna guarantee that your physique is getting sufficient diet. You know, vitamin C is in seven components of the pathway to make collagen. And so ensuring that you simply’re consuming sufficient brightly coloured greens and fruit. You know, individuals assume, “Oh, I’ll just take vitamin C.” Well, vitamin C is ascorbic acid and it’s only a tiny a part of the holistic vitamin C molecule. It’s not really the entire vitamin C molecule. So you wish to give your physique what it actually might acknowledge. If your great-great-great-grandmother might acknowledge it, then it’s fairly good. So just be sure you’re consuming a really brightly coloured weight loss program. Make certain you’re getting sufficient protein to assist the amino acids. And watch out of stresses as a result of fasting could be a stress for some individuals.

Ian: The different apparent one is the train part as a result of a lot of it’s depending on oxygenation and correct blood movement, proper? You’ve gotta get the vitamins. I imply, we are able to additively place issues topically however you continue to should get blood movement up there and have entry to what Tami was simply alluding to, have entry to all of the vitamins which are going to be the elements that actually do elicit that change. So you’ve gotta do some kind of train. It doesn’t should be tremendous rigorous or something like that. But even strolling really can be good, particularly at the moment when individuals can’t exit to the fitness center in numerous states. That’s really the one different one I’d add is if you happen to can handle your weight loss program and your stress degree, shout out to meditation. It’s certainly one of my fave pastimes as properly. I believe these three issues, you recognize, the meditation, the weight loss program, and light-weight train, along with the construction of the system that we put collectively. That’s just about the trick proper there.

Katie: Perfect. And I’ll guarantee that we’ve direct hyperlinks within the present notes. That’s for any of you guys listening whereas, hopefully, exercising or possibly driving. And I may even put hyperlinks to among the research that we’ve talked about for the individuals like me who like to go deep on the analysis, in addition to to a put up the place I’ve written in regards to the gentle part and in regards to the stress elements. So you guys can go deeper on these as properly. And as we get to the tip of our time, Ian, I do know I already requested you this on our first episode, however I’m gonna ask you once more too. I at all times like to ask, selfishly, for any e book suggestions, if there have been books which have had a profound impression in your life and if that’s the case, what they’re and why.

Dr. Tami: I believe that the…so many books. Of course, I like studying. The e book that I had that has had the largest impression on my life is the one which I learn over and again and again, and I believe it’s as a result of it says one thing totally different each time. It’s referred to as “The Four Agreements.” I believe it’s only a good life lesson and a great way to learn to change your perspective at no matter section of life. I used to be really flying right here and I assumed, “You know what? I think that ‘The Four Agreements’ book would be an excellent graduation present.” It’s simply such a…This is the best way that…if you happen to can see the world this manner, it’s gonna be so much higher for you.

Ian: Okay. I’ve been chomping on the bit for this query, often because I had a really profound expertise since final we spoke. The e book can be “Power vs. Force” by David Hawkins. Oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God, actually, probably the most impactful e book I’ve ever learn. And actually, the profundity is off the charts. I want, I hope everybody goes out and will get it. Just the outline of the development of human consciousness and the evolution of us individually and the way it pertains to what we are able to do to assist each other and transfer society alongside, actually stunning. Bar none, probably the most impactful factor I’ve ever learn. And I’d actually suggest with all of my coronary heart that everyone exit and get it, learn it, and attempt to apply the concepts and the ideas in it. Just improbable.

Katie: I like each of these suggestions a lot. I’ve most likely purchased, at this level, possibly 50 copies of “The Four Agreements.” Everybody on the Wellness Mama crew has learn it. My youngsters have learn it. I give it to buddies on a regular basis. And I only in the near past additionally learn “Power vs. Force.” And it’s now on my oldest son’s studying checklist. I go on the actually good ones. I do the five-minute abstract on the again after which go it on to my youngsters. So, I’m excited for him to get to learn that at nearly 15 versus me attending to learn it now at my age. It’s positively a profound e book, for certain. And I like each of these. I already knew I liked you guys. Now I like you much more.

And I’m actually excited that we bought to go deep on this right now as a result of I believe, like we talked about at first, so many individuals are affected by this. Lots of people possibly are even shy to speak about it and really feel ashamed due to it. And I’ve at all times appeared for the holistic options. I do know that you simply guys have as properly. And I do know, Dr. Tami, we talked about a few of these issues, not hair loss, particularly, however the holistic aspect of issues years in the past. And I’m at all times excited once I can discover an choice that’s insanely efficient and in addition pure. And that’s a really, very arduous mixture to nail. And I like that you simply guys have carried out that. So any ultimate ideas or recommendation?

Dr. Tami: Yes, you jogged my memory of one thing. I wish to encourage all people to reframe self-care. It isn’t egocentric. It isn’t useless. You don’t have to really feel ashamed. Self-care might be science-based and it’s good for you.

Katie: I like that. That is an ideal place to finish. I’m gonna make {that a} quotable as a result of I believe, particularly as ladies and mothers, we are able to really feel responsible for self-care. And I do know that that overuse analogy about placing by yourself masks first and masks, in fact, have a complete totally different connotation after this previous yr however that has a ripple impact. It impacts all of us. And I’ve mentioned from the start that mothers, particularly, are probably the most highly effective power on the planet. And so something we do as mothers to assist with self-care, handle ourselves, it ripples out and impacts so many individuals. So I like that you simply introduced that up. I like you guys. I do know that there will probably be many extra rounds and I stay up for them.

And I’m so grateful for you guys in your time right now. And in fact, as at all times, grateful to all of you for listening, for sharing your most dear sources, your time, and your vitality with us right now. We’re all so grateful that you simply did, and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the following episode of the “Wellness Mama” podcast.

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