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Hello, and welcome to the “Wellness Mama Podcast.” I’m Katie, from wellnessmama.com and wellnesse.com. That’s wellness with an E on the tip. And this podcast is all about a tremendous story of overcoming most cancers and likewise about sexual well being and biohacking. I’m right here with Dr. Cabell Bawa, who’s a Board Certified doctor and founding father of Bawa Medical and Chief Medical Officer on the New Wave. She is dedicated to her philosophy of rejuvenation from the within out. And on this episode, she shares her story of overcoming breast most cancers and likewise changing into a magnificence queen. And the explanation that she really did that and the way she used that platform to point out her scars and to point out her hair loss and all of the issues that got here alongside along with her most cancers prognosis and to deliver consciousness. She additionally talks quite a bit about some taboo matters. we discuss sexual well being fairly a bit and a few actually shocking statistics on well being and hormones associated to each women and men, and the way these change over time and with age, and likewise methods to assist enhance them. So, positively, a fact-packed episode, her story is absolutely unbelievable. And with out additional ado, let’s be part of her.

Katie: Dr. Bawa, welcome, and thanks for being right here.

Dr. Bawa: Thank you for having me.

Katie: I’m so excited to listen to extra about your story and your experience as a result of it looks like you might have each private {and professional} expertise in a few areas which might be extraordinarily relevant to lots of people proper now. But to begin broad, I’ve learn that you’ve got a extremely, actually attention-grabbing and wonderful story about overcoming most cancers, which as we all know, statistically is on the rise proper now and, sadly, many individuals will obtain a prognosis of sooner or later of their lives. And then not solely overcoming that, however turning that into one thing actually stunning and empowering and wonderful. So can we begin by studying somewhat extra about you and your story?

Dr. Bawa: Yes. Thank you a lot for that. I used to be misdiagnosed with my breast most cancers for nearly three years. I initially found my lump once I was nonetheless in my late 30s and my gynecologist tried to blow me off and inform me that I actually didn’t meet conventional threat components, that I used to be nonetheless not 40, insurance coverage wouldn’t cowl it. And I used to be somewhat perplexed as a result of I assumed it was in regards to the affected person, not the, you recognize, the numbers. So it took a whole lot of convincing. I did get a mammogram, however then they misinterpret it. They received an ultrasound, however they misinterpret that too. And this occurred for a number of years in a row. So lastly, I insisted that there was one thing very improper. They thought I used to be neurotic, and it was okay. I didn’t actually care at that time. I knew one thing was improper and I needed to be an advocate for myself.

So at that time, I ended up going to a unique hospital. I ended up going to the University of Miami Sylvester Cancer Institute, and I can actually say that the docs there saved my life. So if we get nothing else from our time collectively, I need ladies and even males to know that after they really feel that there’s one thing improper with them, that they need to insist and to not take it mendacity down, to not let anyone inform them that they’re being loopy, that they’re being hypochondriacs. When you recognize you now. And nevertheless, you recognize, this occurred to me and whereas this was not one thing that I anticipated, I had a selection. I may let most cancers defeat me or I may make it about one thing larger than myself. So, I, of all issues, determined to hitch a magnificence pageant. Now you might marvel why at age 43, I felt the necessity to be part of a magnificence pageant. It’s as a result of I discovered as a most cancers affected person that my fellow most cancers sufferers had given up on themselves. They felt that most cancers was going to defeat them. And I actually imagine that for those who assume it’s going to defeat you, it completely will. You are proper in some way.

So for me, I used to be by no means going to undergo most cancers. It needed to be about making one thing good come out of one thing horrible. And so, I made a decision to hitch Miss Florida to encourage most cancers sufferers to dwell their greatest life despite most cancers. To present them that pleasure mustn’t finish, and that they’re no much less stunning, even when they’ve scars, even when they lose their hair. So, I went on stage 4 weeks or so after my mastectomy. I had my scar seen, I refused to cowl it with make-up. It would have been straightforward to take action, however it was a matter of precept. I additionally went on stage with no extensions and no wig. I purchased a wig, I simply couldn’t deliver myself to put on it as a result of I wished to talk my reality. And once I received Miss Florida, it was a giant win, not only for me, however for most cancers sufferers and people present process adversity of any sort. So, in so some ways, you recognize, my story has been discovered to be inspirational for that, and I’m very completely happy as a result of that’s what that is about.

Katie: That’s wonderful. And two issues actually stood out to me in that. The first being the significance of advocating for ourselves in terms of medical care. And I had the same expertise in a a lot much less ominous prognosis, however I, for years, knew one thing was improper and would go to docs and ask for checks. And I suspected it was my thyroid. And equally was informed, “Well, you’re not in a high-risk group. All of these things are normal postpartum. Your levels are fine.” And they have been solely testing, in fact, sure ranges. And I needed to advocate for myself for a few years with a number of docs to lastly get a prognosis that then helped me get better. And you hear about this quite a bit within the medical world. And sadly, it looks like it usually occurs extra to ladies than males actually because I believe many research are accomplished on males as a result of they’re simpler to check.

But I believe…I’m so glad you introduced that up as a result of I believe the most effective outcomes, and also you would possibly agree from a health care provider’s perspective, occur when you might have a affected person who’s invested and well-informed and advocating for themselves, and likewise desirous to work with a practitioner as a associate in bettering their very own well being. And the opposite factor you mentioned that I believe is so essential on this and in actually, each space of life is that mindset piece. And the concept for those who assume one thing will defeat you, it’s going to. And additionally in case you have a optimistic mindset, that goes such a good distance towards the restoration. How essential do you assume that mindset piece was for you and for different individuals in the identical scenario?

Dr. Bawa: I like what you mentioned as a result of so many docs should not testing you totally, even when they do take a look at you. And I’m so completely happy that you just have been an advocate for your self and also you discovered what was improper. And so far as mindset is anxious, mindset in my case was every part. And this will appear dramatic, however this can be a true incident. I had some problems throughout my most cancers remedy and I used to be in my chemotherapy suite. My blood ranges have been tanking for lack of a greater phrase to say it. And one in every of my nurses began to cry. She simply felt horrible for me that I used to be taking two steps ahead and 5 steps again it appeared each time we rotated. And once I noticed tears in her eyes, I consoled her and I mentioned to her, “It’s okay. It truly is. I will be fine. And not only am I going to be fine, in just a few months, I’m going to be Miss Florida.” And she laughed as she cried. And that is an honest-to-goodness story. This actually occurred.

And I needed to clarify to her that I used to be not going there for a participation medal, I used to be in it to win it as a result of it was not price doing if it was not price doing totally and effectively. So, I hope that my story has despatched a bigger message to individuals usually about mindset, about perseverance. And I believe that if I didn’t have that mindset, if I didn’t have that perseverance, I don’t know that I’d have made it so far as I did and had the end result I did as a result of a lot of most cancers is miserable. I’m not saying that there wasn’t any melancholy on my finish, there was. I selected to not dwell on it. So I believe that’s the primary factor.

Katie: And I additionally love that you just reframed that and didn’t cover from the struggles or attempt to cowl the scars of that and let that truly be an outward, like, witness to your struggles in order that it may open a dialog about that. I believe usually in society, there are such…very outlined requirements of what female magnificence seems to be like and that strain to really feel excellent and to not have scars and to not have something that’s not thought-about, you recognize, bodily excellent. And most likely by doing that, you gave ladies freedom to be who they honestly are in so some ways, and to not have to take care of this phantasm of perfection. And from what I’ve learn, additionally that was a big a part of your cause for competing as effectively is that you just have been capable of shine a highlight on different most cancers sufferers and on that as effectively, proper? You used your platform to deliver a whole lot of consciousness there as effectively.

Dr. Bawa: Absolutely. I spoke on stage about how I used to be misdiagnosed. I wished to boost consciousness for most cancers misdiagnosis, in addition to inform most cancers sufferers that life doesn’t finish with a most cancers prognosis, that there’s a lot stuff to stay up for. Now, occurring stage and the gown I selected and with the hair and make-up I selected was a press release. I didn’t select a gown that coated my chest. I may have. There are many robes I may have worn which might be completely stunning that didn’t present my scars, that didn’t present my uneven breast dimension. But I went on stage as is. I used to be fully uneven. Things had not been finalized but with my second surgical procedure. I nonetheless haven’t had it, however I didn’t let that govern my selection of gown. This was about, once more, one thing larger than myself. So, I went there with my uneven cleavage, my scar seen, and brief hair with some areas that have been extra thinning than others. And this was essential to me as a result of I don’t need individuals to assume that most cancers will not be stunning. Cancer is simply as stunning as the rest. And I believe that that was a vital message to ship to the world. And I believe it’s a message that resonated. My win redefined magnificence after most cancers.

Katie: And I can solely think about how to start with overwhelming a most cancers prognosis should really feel. And I hear from individuals, sadly, like I mentioned, most cancers appears to be on the rise throughout the board, who obtain a prognosis and, you recognize, overwhelmed and marvel the place to even begin on the lookout for assets. So I’m curious if there have been issues that have been useful to you in establishing that mindset piece whenever you have been going via that and/or that helped you recognize issues to do to bodily help your self via that course of and to ensure your physique was nourished and capable of get better?

Dr. Bawa: You know, it’s attention-grabbing how life labored out for me. I used to be probably not…as a part of my medical observe, I based and owned Bawa Medical in Boca Raton. It is a wellness and rejuvenation-based observe. When I began this, once I conceived this observe, I used to be not pondering of most cancers. I used to be not pondering of what a most cancers affected person wants for help but paradoxically, my life took that path. So, in my case, I used to be very fortunate. I didn’t should go exterior to look for lots of the issues I wanted. I may do IV remedy in my very own workplace as a result of I discovered it useful. Also, chemotherapy is so nauseating, you may’t eat effectively, your dietary degree goes down at some extent whenever you want the next dietary degree to struggle that illness, to struggle that chemo as a result of chemo is doing fairly a quantity on you, it’s a poison, basically. You want it. I extremely advocate it. It saved my life, however it’s a poison. Let’s not overlook that. So, how do you counteract that? I had IV remedy.

The different factor that occurs with most cancers is hair loss. I’m a hair restoration specialist. So I used to be very fortunate in that sense that I used to be capable of do hair restoration inside my observe as a result of I really feel that most cancers hair loss is misunderstood. So a lot of it’s about hair restoration the place in so many circumstances, it needs to be about hair loss prevention. Nobody thinks of it that method, even my very own buddies mentioned I used to be being ridiculous that I ought to settle for it gracefully. They informed me I used to be being, you recognize, very superficial. And I mentioned, “It’s not about being superficial. It’s about fighting it when you can fight it.” When I’ve instruments, why not use them? So I did a bunch of various issues in my observe and I by no means went bald regardless of very robust chemotherapy. The chemotherapy I underwent was a mix of Taxol and Adriamycin and Cytoxan. To anyone who does most cancers therapies or has gone via most cancers therapies, they know the way robust that chemotherapy routine is but I by no means got here near being bald. I misplaced the size, by no means the precise hair, you recognize, on my head. So did that.

I additionally did pores and skin therapies at my very own observe as a result of chemotherapy causes a whole lot of pores and skin harm and hyperpigmentation. So regardless of how a lot sunscreen I used, I nonetheless had a whole lot of pores and skin harm. So, a whole lot of that I discovered I used to be uniquely positioned to assist myself. So this isn’t a plug for my observe in any method. You requested how I received via it, a lot of it’s due to what I do for a dwelling anyway. Now, how different individuals would get via it, I extremely advocate that they attain out to their oncologist, ask for the assets close to them. Maybe there’s a observe like me close to them. Maybe there may be someone who may also help them save their hair. Maybe there may be somebody who may also help them with wellness and IVs and, you recognize, serving to them with chemo-related pores and skin modifications and issues like that. Because, you recognize, it’s very miserable whenever you look within the mirror and also you don’t seem like your self anymore. It’s not about being superficial, you virtually don’t acknowledge who you’re. And there’s one thing to be mentioned for making an attempt to take care of what you may of your self via all of it.

I imply, there was some extent I had no eyebrows and no eyelashes. So I made a decision it was about mindset. I didn’t wish to settle for that. So, I really went out and developed a product to develop lashes and brows that’s wholesome, that doesn’t change your eye shade and do harm to the pores and skin round your eyes. Because a lot of what’s on the market may do harm. People don’t discuss it. Like Latisse, does it work? Absolutely. But it may trigger some modifications within the shade of your eye, as an illustration. Nobody talks about that a part of it. So I made a decision that most cancers was going to be one thing that simply was optimistic in each method for me. So I even went and developed a pure product that I now have in my observe for that. So, a lot of that, you recognize, I used to be so fortunate, however I do advocate that they attain out to social employees, they attain out to help teams, and in my case, to buddies. My household doesn’t dwell right here. My household’s abroad. So my buddies have been my tribe. They have been those who helped me via all of it. My pal, Carmen, picked me up from chemo each single time. She simply took it upon herself. You know, it takes a village. I used to be very fortunate to have a really supportive village.

Katie: That’s stunning. And I believe that additionally illustrates what appears to be a false dichotomy that typically occurs in terms of most cancers remedy or any form of medical remedy. It looks like usually there’s a pressure between the traditional mannequin and the issues it’s good to do medically and the wellness facet. And it looks like the most effective outcomes really occur when somebody is ready to entry all of these issues, that it isn’t an both/or, however very a lot a each/and. And that you are able to do issues which might be supportive of your physique and likewise supportive of hopefully, the method of remedy and serving to your physique get better extra shortly. But that’s a extremely unbelievable story that hopefully offers hope to anybody else who would possibly, sadly, be in the identical scenario. And you talked about your observe, I’d like to delve into a few completely different areas right here as a result of I do know you’re employed with individuals in a wide range of alternative ways.

But one other space I hear quite a bit from ladies about proper now and I’m wondering if COVID is likely to be a contributing issue right here, however is sexual wellness. And it looks like there is a rise in sexual-related issues or simply libido and sexual satisfaction, particularly in ladies. I don’t know if that is present or for those who’ve possibly seen this for a very long time. So I’m curious for those who’re comfy sharing, for those who had any of these struggles whenever you went via your chemo journey, but additionally the ways in which you assist handle that in your sufferers.

Dr. Bawa: Yes. Now, vaginal well being is one thing I’m very obsessed with. I do a whole lot of intimate wellness for each women and men at my observe, and chemo and most cancers therapies, most cancers drugs, even after chemo could cause a whole lot of modifications in a lady’s hormonal stability. It threw me into menopause. So, you recognize, there’s quite a bit that goes improper with most cancers and with growing old, usually. In my case, it was simply amplified due to the most cancers. But vaginal well being is one thing that could be very ignored. Women take higher care of their automobiles than they do their vaginas, sadly. And I’m right here once more as an advocate for good vaginal well being. And like I mentioned about hair loss in terms of most cancers, why are we reacting? Why are we not stopping? I’m all about prevention as an alternative of remedy. So, I encourage ladies to come back get vaginal rejuvenation at a youthful age. So lots of my sufferers say, “Well, I’m not that bad yet.” And I’m telling you, it makes my head spin as a result of I wish to clarify to ladies around the globe that they should deal with themselves sooner.

If you handle the issue earlier, youthful, you might have higher outcomes long-term. Your vagina will age in a different way. It’s not simply your face that’s growing old, it’s your vagina as effectively. So I’m very large in my observe on FemiWave. It is acoustic wave remedy, actually utilizing sound waves to deliver higher blood circulate into your vaginal space, usually, not simply your clitoris, your labia, your pelvic ground, all of it wants good blood circulate. So this breaks down blockages and blood vessels like plaques. You know, it’s not simply your coronary heart and the arteries in your coronary heart which have blockages as you grow old, blood vessels in every single place develop blockages. So that is to advertise good, wholesome blood circulate. And that makes your pelvic ground stronger, which is one other factor that goes with age and childbirth and every part else. I’m not saying that we’re curing incontinence, we’re actually making a giant stride in direction of minimizing it with this.

So I like to recommend it to ladies of all ages. It additionally makes ladies extraordinarily orgasmic, which is only a fantastic plus level with it. So, we do O-Shots at our observe, however we additionally do FemiWave due to the fantastic, fantastic results we’ve got with it. And there’s little question, and that’s the great thing about it. We do vaginal laser rejuvenation as effectively at my observe with CO2. Now I’m not by any means saying something unfavourable about CO2, there’s a time and place for it. But I discover that FemiWave is one thing that helps ladies throughout the board. I actually have an issue making an attempt to even inform you as a lady it won’t work. And you recognize what? Often the query is, “Who will it help?” I believe the query with FemiWave is completely different, “Who will it not help?” And I actually can’t consider anybody it wouldn’t assist in some form or type. So that’s one thing that I’m very completely happy to be doing. And we are actually a middle of excellence with each FemiWave for girls and GAINSWave for males. And I really feel that we’re doing a lot good to society, usually, by serving to individuals this manner.

Katie: So you talked about that like that growing old course of occurs there as effectively, particularly simply as part of regular growing old. And I do know ladies report extra pelvic ground points, particularly after childbirth, which makes full sense as a result of there’s some intense trauma that may occur throughout childbirth for lots of girls. And I assume that this additionally impacts the sexual expertise fairly a bit and sexual well being that method. Are there different components, like as an illustration, you talked about that that form of pulled you into menopause? I do know menopause usually impacts sexual well being for girls. Are this stuff that you just do in your workplace capable of assist form of handle the, like, sexual satisfaction facet of that even after menopause for girls?

Dr. Bawa: Yes. What I do could be very complete. I really feel the completely different components of what I do are very synergistic with one another. For occasion, I don’t simply do hormone alternative, I prefer to name it hormone balancing as a result of there’s an imbalance in lots of features of our life as we age, as we struggle completely different illnesses. In my case, it was most cancers, however in your case it’s thyroid illness. It’s no much less traumatic to your system. So I attempt to optimize well being. I attempt to optimize wellness, usually. So I prefer to take my sufferers and see them as the larger image, not only one a part of what I’m doing. So I’d optimize your hormones. I’d optimize your diet and your metabolic scenario with IV remedy. I’d do, you recognize, GAINSWave for those who’re a person, I do FemiWave for those who’re a lady. These are issues that assist everybody. I can’t think about supplying you with a subset that it will not assist. In some form or type, it’s going to assist everybody. And then I fine-tune it additional. Does someone want, you recognize, as an illustration, a vaginal laser? We can at all times try this. Do the boys want some form of remedy? We can try this. So I believe that this needs to be seen as a much bigger image and never bits and items.

Katie: I agree. It looks like the most effective outcomes in any realm occur whenever you handle the physique as an entire and work and help its pure processes versus countering them. In that realm, are there issues that you just discovered useful personally or that you just advocate to your sufferers that they will do at house which might be supportive, whether or not or not it’s sure dietary practices? I do know prefer it looks like sleep and hydration are throughout the board at all times good suggestions. I’m but to have anybody in 500 company on this podcast say sleep will not be essential and hydration doesn’t matter, however are there belongings you encourage your sufferers to do to assist enhance the consequences of those therapies and likewise that have been useful to you whenever you have been going via your journey?

Dr. Bawa: Of course, mindset was the primary factor for me. I felt that something I may do to calm my thoughts was useful. I believe meditation is underrated. I don’t assume that you need to sit for an hour and, you recognize, stare on the house to meditate. I believe meditation will be various things to completely different individuals. The thought is to calm your thoughts. If that’s by taking a stroll, if that’s by listening to a chunk of music you discover soothing. No matter what it’s, I believe it’s good to calm your thoughts and discover stability inside your self above all. And then I believe that hydration is an excellent factor. As you talked about, hydration is a primary factor. If you aren’t hydrated, then nothing works effectively. Your pores and skin, your well being, usually, nothing works effectively with out hydration. Nutritionally, I’m not telling you you need to eat natural, it’s not at all times possible, however no matter you’re consuming, I do advocate making an attempt your greatest to have a extra inclusive food plan, extra fruit and veggies, not taking any group out of your food plan.

For occasion, chemo can result in a whole lot of weight acquire. It’s a fallacy when individuals assume that each one most cancers sufferers drop pounds. Some acquire. I did. So I believe the thought is to not say that, “Oh, let me do keto. I’ll lose weight,” or let me do that or that, I’ll drop pounds. I believe a balanced, nutritious diet with smart parts is essential. It’s a boring factor to say, I do know. There’s nothing dramatic about what I’m saying, however that’s essential. Balance is essential in each side. And then, in fact, I believe when yow will discover a health care provider close to you who may also help you with the issues that helped me. I used to be fortunate, I occurred to be doing this anyway. All I needed to do was come to work and, you recognize, all of this was out there to me, however hunt down practitioners who imagine in a holistic lifestyle, who’ve of their observe one thing that may allow you to. Now, sexually, as an illustration, we’ve talked about FemiWave. If you’re someplace the place you don’t have a FemiWave supplier, we also have a system. If they contact us, we are able to at all times ship it to them. It’s an at-home intimate wellness system that makes use of the identical idea of sound wave know-how and makes use of sound waves to interrupt up blockages and convey good blood circulate into the vaginal space. It’s not as robust as what we do within the workplace, however it’s an exquisite adjunct for another remedy or the rest you’re doing in your life. If you may’t get to us personally, at the very least use this at house. It could be very useful.

Katie: And I’m curious for those who can converse to possibly in simply generalities or possibly particular circumstances with out utilizing figuring out particulars, however what sort of causes individuals usually want these sorts of therapies? Like, I believe most individuals possibly don’t understand that you just see these form of blockages in all tissue, not simply in your coronary heart, like individuals perceive in that degree. But it will look like rising blood circulate can be a reasonably dramatic shift. What form of outcomes do individuals sometimes see?

Dr. Bawa: Oh my goodness, I’ve a YouTube channel, Bawa Medical, and one of many movies I posted nearly per week in the past is a few gentleman who is nearly 69. His girlfriend is 4 months older than him and so they’re having the most effective intercourse of their lives. They have each had therapies from us. The gents had GAINSWave and he says that, you recognize, they’re having intercourse at the very least as soon as a day, if not twice a day. And typically they’ve nooners. That to me is inspirational for anyone half his age, not to mention someone who’s virtually 70 years outdated. So are we seeing outcomes? We’re completely seeing outcomes. We are altering lives. What we do is transformational. At my observe, I’m giving them a brand new lease on life. It doesn’t matter what age you’re. If you might have an issue, there’s no level in denying it, settle for it, discover assist, and dwell your greatest life. Do you recognize that 20% of males of their 20s endure from erectile dysfunction? Nobody thinks that the 20s may deliver dysfunction, however it’s completely true. It’s a recognized reality inside the scientific group that 20% of males of their 20s have it, 30% of their 30s, 40% of their 40s. It simply goes up about 10% per decade of life.

Now, such as you mentioned, we don’t at all times have these research in ladies. There is a glass ceiling for girls and never simply within the workforce, sadly. We are sometimes blown off, we’re referred to as histrionic, hysterical, you recognize, hysteria, the idea of hysteria, you recognize, whenever you look again at how the time period started, it’s very denigrating to ladies. So I’m not right here to say that…you recognize, I’m not right here for a ladies’s lib dialogue, I’m simply right here to say that women, we don’t at all times have the research for us, we don’t at all times have the statistics for us, however now we’ve got choices and we must always go make the most of them. Do this for yourselves. Get some assist. There’s assist on the market.

Katie: And I do know that it’s been a comparatively dramatic shift, these decline in hormone ranges and the rise in ED, even in younger males. And I do know we see low testosterone, even in younger males. I’ve even seen some statistics that males usually could have a 3rd of the testosterone their grandfathers did on the similar age. And to me, that speaks to the truth that we all know that we’ve had large environmental modifications which might be resulting in a few of these issues. Our meals provide has modified. So now it turns into essential to be extra proactive. When we’ve got extra unfavourable inputs that we’ve got to cope with, we’ve got to turn into extra proactive in counteracting these issues. And to circle again to what you mentioned too about food plan as effectively, and consuming a balanced, nutritious diet and never coming from a spot of deprivation, I believe that’s one thing that uniquely impacts ladies extra as effectively due to food plan tradition and due to a few of these issues we talked about early on.

And it looks like many ladies wrestle with the mindset of having the ability to nourish their our bodies sufficient and having the ability to eat sufficient different meals to actually really help our physique. So I like that you just introduced that up as a result of that’s one thing I’ve mentioned on right here earlier than is we’ve got to shift that mindset once more, with mindset being so essential away from like meals is dangerous. There’s guilt hooked up to meals. I have to food plan and be thinner, to I like and settle for my physique, how can I nourish it to one of the best ways attainable? How do I help it? How do I help its pure processes of cleansing, of anti-aging? Our our bodies are so unbelievable in what they will do, they only want somewhat bit extra help in in the present day’s world as a result of they’re dealing with greater than they’ve prior to now.

Dr. Bawa: Absolutely. Now, I hope I can contact on…you mentioned so many fantastic issues. I want I used to be writing as a result of… And I’m going to return as soon as we file this and truly discuss this alone social media platforms as a result of what you mentioned is profound. Now you introduced up dropping testosterone ranges. Do you recognize that sleep deprivation in males is inflicting decrease fertility, decrease testosterone ranges? Again, that’s one thing individuals don’t discuss. It’s not an attractive subject, however it’s true. Sleep deprivation is inflicting that. Now you mentioned earlier about…you mentioned one thing easy, you mentioned, I do know that sleep and hydration are quite simple. Yes, they’re easy, however they’re so profound. If you don’t get sufficient sleep, you might have decrease fertility. So when you might have decrease fertility, that impacts so many various features of your life, and that’s only one instance of what sleep deprivation does.

So then you definately talked about, you recognize, different modifications which might be occurring, different issues which might be occurring with tradition, the place we’re made to really feel lower than. Now, I used to be a dimension 0-2 once I was recognized with most cancers, I’m most likely a dimension 6 proper now. And I’m not being exhausting on myself. I’m not depriving myself. Don’t get me improper, I’m not consuming all the bread basket. But if I desire a slice of bread, I’m consuming it. I’m not consuming a ton of alcohol, but when I’d like a glass of wine, I’m permitting myself a glass of wine often. I believe we have to be kinder to ourselves as ladies and as males. I believe society could be very robust on us. I believe there’s this entire idea of superficial magnificence. And that’s why I went to Miss Florida as a result of I used to be combating that idea of conventional magnificence. I went at my heaviest. I went once I was nonetheless swollen from my mastectomy. I used to be nonetheless, you recognize, coping with fluid retention. I believe the idea of magnificence must be modified. Beauty must be present in no matter stage you’re in. And it’s not about others making you’re feeling stunning, that feeling wants to come back from inside.

I perceive that society must be kinder to individuals going via struggles. I get that. And that’s a given. But that power wants to come back from inside us. When you look in that mirror, it’s good to see somebody stunning, somebody robust, somebody who has persevered. We have all gone via struggles in life. We are all winners in our personal method. I could have gone to medical faculty. I could put on an extended white coat. My successes are completely different than your successes. We are the one ones who know what a hero we’re and we have to really feel that. That’s what I wish to do, encourage individuals to feeling and being their greatest. It wants to come back from inside actually.

Katie: Yeah, I agree. That was an essential mindset shift for me as a result of such as you, I struggled with the bodily modifications of thyroid illness and simply of getting six infants in 9 years. It was quite a bit for my physique to course of. And the mindset piece, I’ve talked about this somewhat bit earlier than on this podcast, however issues didn’t actually begin shifting bodily till I addressed that mindset piece. And once I may take a look at the mirror and discover love and acceptance for myself, it turned a lot simpler to function from a spot of nourishing my physique as an alternative of combating it and loving it as an alternative of depriving it. And that made all the distinction. I believe you’re proper, that like that magnificence has to come back and that appreciation and that love and acceptance and pleasure has to come back from inside. And as ladies, that additionally offers us the power to be that for different individuals as effectively. But it may’t come from a spot of not having it for us to start with. And a few extra notes I had on my present notes I wanna make sure that we contact on, I’ve learn and heard about ladies affected by one thing referred to as anorgasmia, which appears to be on the rise as effectively. Can you clarify why that’s occurring? And whether it is on the rise, why you assume it is likely to be on the rise proper now, after which how ladies can handle that?

Dr. Bawa: There are many explanation why ladies are having issues orgasming. For one, I don’t know that many people understand that solely 18% of girls can orgasm from vaginal intercourse, from the penetration itself. So there are various things at play right here. One, we have to make our companions conscious that oral stimulation or exterior stimulation is extra essential. We have to have higher vaginal well being, usually. Like I mentioned, we have to deliver higher blood circulate into the world to get up our nerves, to get up our blood vessels. I believe individuals who have anorgasmia or who’ve painful intercourse…these are two completely different points. Some individuals are having painful intercourse. Some individuals are not having painful intercourse, however they’re getting nowhere when they’re having intercourse. There are many components to this. So I believe wellness as an entire is gonna contribute to it after which training that there’s a downside. It’s okay to have that downside. And it’s okay to talk about that downside. When you handle it along with your physician and also you inform your physician, “Listen, I have no sensation. I’m not getting there,” then I believe there are just a few essential components to this.

You want to talk to a therapist. There are therapists who focus on sexual remedy and sexual wellness, and so they may also help you with this. When it involves the physique itself, there are docs like me who do FemiWave, who do hormone balancing, who will allow you to with the O-Shot and make you extra orgasmic. So there are completely different instruments that it’s good to assist your self with. Again, it’s not only one factor, I want there was only one factor, however there are a number of issues you are able to do to assist your self. And all of them contribute. I believe all of them work collectively higher synergistically and any one in every of them by themselves. So I believe there’s quite a bit on the market. We simply have to get that assist.

Katie: And I believe having the dialog, I do know like several sexual well being subject is somewhat bit taboo and, like, I believe it raises eyebrows each time I discuss it on right here, however I believe the dialog can be essential as a result of we all know that that’s tied into total well being. And to your level, I believe this can be a subject that isn’t talked about sufficient, particularly for girls. We actually see all of the commercials for all of these points for males. And it looks like when males have a wrestle with that, it turns into a vital, imminent factor to repair. But ladies, I really feel like usually are extra hesitant to speak about it or really feel like one thing’s improper with them and really feel disgrace round it. And to your level, I didn’t understand it was that drastic of a statistic, however for a lot of ladies, simply penetrative intercourse usually isn’t sufficient, however that’s one thing that they really feel dangerous speaking about or they really feel like they’re not regular due to that. And so I believe opening the dialog and letting them understand that there are alternatives and issues that may assist a lot, however even simply beginning that dialog and taking that disgrace and that societal notion away from it’s such an essential first step for girls. And I’m so glad we’re in a time when there are issues like this out there and we’re beginning to lastly have this dialog.

Dr. Bawa: Absolutely. Now I get in hassle typically on my social media although. I’ve very dignified posts. I’m not displaying something that’s specific. I imply, my posts should not pornographic, however even Instagram and Facebook will typically take my posts off as a result of I discussed intercourse or one thing sexual. Now, I’m a medical physician, I’m not doing something inappropriate, however there may be disgrace even to that extent. Now let me inform you one thing completely unbelievable. I made a decision to take my youngsters on a trip and shut the workplace for per week and my assistant went on a trip along with her household. We imagine in having a life at Bawa Medical, we’re allowed to go on trip. We closed down our workplace and we received an answering service to reply our calls in order that sufferers may at the very least make and alter appointments whereas we have been gone for simply 5 enterprise days.

Do you recognize that I received a name as soon as I used to be already in one other city from my answering service and so they mentioned to me, “Sorry, Dr. Bawa, we know we talked to you and we set this whole account up, but we cannot answer your calls because some people call for vaginal rejuvenation, and that’s an inappropriate topic.” I mentioned, “Are you serious? Vaginal rejuvenation is inappropriate?” We’re not calling a porn channel, we’re not calling, you recognize, “Hustler” or “Playboy.” These are, you recognize, individuals calling the physician’s workplace. Why is that this taboo? And they mentioned, “Well, it’s embarrassing and it’s inappropriate.” I mentioned, “What about vaginal health is inappropriate to you?” And these have been ladies telling me this. So, I used to be horrified, horrified that in in the present day’s day and age, within the yr 2021, my answering service decides to not take my calls as a result of I supply vaginal rejuvenation and that’s offensive to them. So there must be a mindset shift right here.

Katie: I agree. That’s form of astounding that sufferers contact their precise physician a few medical downside…like, to me that may be the identical as like just like a pregnant girl making an attempt to name her OB and being informed, “Oh, I’m sorry, we can’t talk about that because your vagina is involved.” Like, that’s astounding to me.

Dr. Bawa: I simply…you recognize, my head was spinning. I nonetheless bear in mind I used to be getting out of a cab in Philadelphia and I mentioned, “What part of this is inappropriate? What part of this is bad? Please explain to me.” I actually requested the woman, I mentioned, “Ma’am with all due respect, do you have a vagina? Do you ever find that you need help from a doctor for your vagina? I don’t expect you to answer that question,” I mentioned to her, “but how can you deny women the opportunity to make appointments for their vaginal health?” So, I could offer you a small instance of the answering service, however it signifies a much bigger challenge. It’s not okay to speak about it typically. Why? We are all men and women, I imply, sexual well being is essential. We are all in a scenario the place we’ve got the suitable to have good, intimate wellness and to not be informed that it’s dangerous or soiled or upsetting to the typical one who’s listening to us. Why is it upsetting to individuals? What are we speaking about that’s inappropriate?

If it’s okay to speak about cardiac well being, why is it inappropriate to speak about sexual well being? Why is intercourse a grimy phrase? If it wasn’t for intercourse, you and I’d not be alive in the present day. It’s not essentially a foul factor. And why ought to we be denied high quality of life? A superb intercourse life results in a greater relationship, results in a greater high quality of life. If you don’t dribble urine whenever you train, you aren’t gonna have higher cardiac well being. I imply, it’s a much bigger challenge than simply about your vagina and your bladder.

That’s why I say that what we do at Bawa Medical is so transformational as a result of we remodel lives. And that’s why I believe that this must cease being such a taboo subject, that Instagram must cease deleting my posts once I discuss it, that YouTube must cease sending me, you recognize, little emails warning me in regards to the content material I’m placing out. Why am I being referred to as an issue little one as a result of I’m specializing in an issue that we’re all dealing with? So, a lot of this, there must be a shift in how we take into consideration this. It must be okay to speak. And that’s why I’m so completely happy you’re speaking about it.

Katie: Well, and also you’re so proper. I believe that the dialog is so essential. And for girls simply to listen to that simply because these issues are frequent, it doesn’t imply they should be regular, or actually that they should expertise them. I’ve had six infants, 5 of them got here out vaginally and I don’t dribble urine once I train or soar on a trampoline or sneeze. That doesn’t should be a factor. I believe many ladies assume that’s only a factor that occurs when you might have youngsters, however it doesn’t should be. I believe beginning the dialog is step one towards it.

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And additionally a theme from this entire interview has been the mindset piece. And I believe that’s additionally an space the place there’s a lot alternative for all of us, however particularly ladies in terms of these matters actually to have the ability to develop and enhance as a result of there’s a lot tied up in that.

And I’ve a notice in my present notes that for those who have been going to present a TED Talk, it will be on why you shouldn’t let adversity beat you down and that mindset piece. And I like that regardless of all of your experience within the medical world, that that’s the factor that brings…is a very powerful to you. So I’d love to listen to somewhat bit extra about that as a result of I believe you’re proper, mindset permeates via every part and is so, so essential. So, I’d simply love to listen to somewhat little bit of your perspective on that, having been via adversity and never letting it beat you down.

Dr. Bawa: You know, every part about who I’m in the present day has been as a result of I made a decision to beat adversity. I used to be a sufferer of…and I don’t discuss this often, and I’m going to attempt to not choke up about it as I discuss it, however abuse, abuses and…and right here I’m going once more. Abuse is one thing that’s a giant deal. Abuse is one thing that goes throughout all instructional, monetary boundaries. I used to be a sufferer of a whole lot of emotional, home abuse and ultimately bodily abuse as effectively. And you wouldn’t assume that a health care provider in my scenario would cope with that, however I did. I overcame that. I’m no longer in that scenario anymore, it lasted a few years. I received’t go into a lot element about it, however the level is it was a few mindset. Something needed to change and I made a change. Cancer, one thing needed to change, it couldn’t simply be about illness. It couldn’t simply be about vomiting. It couldn’t simply be about dropping hair. I needed to make it one thing that helped me turn into a much bigger individual, a greater individual. And I had to make use of my most cancers and my adversity to be a greater physician.

So, I’ve determined that it doesn’t matter what occurs to me in life, I’m going to make use of something unfavourable that occurs to me to assist me develop in no matter form or type that is likely to be, to point out my sons, who’re my world, that life will not be in regards to the negativity that occurs to us, it’s about what we select to do to remodel it. And that’s why I believe that if I used to be to ever give a TED Talk, I hope to sometime, you by no means know, it will be about beating adversity. Like, I discussed about Miss Florida, it was by no means a few pageant. It was a a lot larger factor than only a pageant. It was about redefining mindset of a most cancers affected person. It was about redefining the thought of magnificence in most cancers as a result of most cancers will not be presupposed to be stunning, proper? That’s not how we’re raised to consider it. Cancer is one thing that makes you lower than your self. You lose your hair, you lose your pores and skin, you acquire weight, you drop pounds, however both method, you’re not at your greatest. So we assume that meaning we’re not stunning. No, you’re simply as stunning if no more so as a result of now you might have overcome another factor. So, adversity is one thing that helps me dwell a greater life. It doesn’t make sense, it’s virtually oxymoronic when you consider adversity and higher life, however that’s how I select to see it. Adversity for me is a chance for additional progress.

Katie: I totally agree having been via trauma in my previous as effectively, I can now…I believe it takes some work and emotional shifts to get there, however I can now look again and have gratitude for all the teachings that got here from that and the issues that it allowed me to do and such as you, to assist different individuals via that have and thru that story. Same factor with my thyroid. I by no means would have cared a lot for well being had I not been given a cause. And I’m so grateful that that shift occurred. I believe you’re completely proper that that mindset piece is so essential and that it isn’t what occurs to us, it’s how we select to interpret that, reply to that, and develop from that or not as a result of we actually at all times have that selection as effectively. For me personally, one of many books that was useful in that was referred to as “The Untethered Soul,” and it helped me to course of a few of these feelings. And that’s one other query I like to ask at this level in interviews is that if there’s a e book or various books which have had a profound affect in your life or your journey, and in that case, what they’re and why?

Dr. Bawa: I believe a e book that at all times comes up in my thoughts once I’m requested a query about books or a e book that has modified me is a e book referred to as “Outliers.” Outlier is a e book written by Malcolm Gladwell about achievement and failure and what defines a winner, how the winners are often outliers on the tip of that spectrum a method or one other, and what number of instances you need to do one thing to succeed, to turn into good at it. And I believe that it’s a lot about perseverance and about rising above the typical, above the norm that I believe is a e book that basically helps me proceed my journey in direction of self-improvement, in direction of reaching excessive requirements. I’m a excessive achiever. No matter what I do in life, I don’t settle for mediocrity. Mediocrity to me is a four-letter phrase. “It doesn’t matter what you do,” my father as soon as mentioned to me, once I was about 5 years outdated, “if you want to be a chef, have Michelin stars after your name. If you want to be a doctor, be the very best you can be.” So it’s not about what you do, it’s about excelling at it. You know, if you wish to be someone who does muffins for a dwelling, be Sylvia Weinstock. There’s greatness to be achieved in every part. So that’s, you recognize, one thing that I believe “Outliers” helped me define in my very own life.

Katie: That’s stunning. I like that. And I’ll, in fact, put hyperlinks to your observe and to some put up referring to a number of the matters we’ve talked about in the present day for any of you guys listening, particularly in case you are within the Florida space and wish to discover Dr. Bawa and be taught. Those hyperlinks can be there. But any parting recommendation for our listeners in the present day, whether or not or not it’s on mindset or well being or any of the matters we’ve mentioned?

Dr. Bawa: I believe if I may really give two items of recommendation for those who’ll let me, I believe I’d prefer to say two issues. Firstly, ladies, please go get examined, do month-to-month exams. They’re not simply one thing in a textbook, they save lives. They saved mine. So be higher advocates for yourselves, that is essential. If there’s one thing improper, go discover assist. And in case your physician blows you off, blow the physician off, discover one other physician who will hearken to you. Secondly, I’d say, I imagine in high quality of life, be it in your sexual well being, be it in what you see whenever you look within the mirror. If you’re not completely happy along with your hair, do one thing to make your hair higher. There is assist on the market. If you’re not having the most effective intercourse of your life, do one thing to make your self have the most effective intercourse of your life. Whether it’s balancing your hormones, whether or not it’s doing one thing like FemiWave, whether or not it’s, you recognize, doing one thing nutritionally. Whatever it’s that you just’re not proud of, don’t be complacent. So lots of my sufferers say, “Well, I’m not that bad yet.” That idea is senseless to me. Why would you wait until that time? Why would you wait until your life within the bed room is a whole catastrophe earlier than you make it higher?

Why not go do one thing like FemiWave, as an illustration, the place it’s received no downtime, it’s not painful? Do one thing for your self. If you’re having points along with your hormones and also you’re having scorching flashes, converse to your physician about optimizing your hormones. Do that. So, I believe, dwell your greatest life, no matter meaning to you. In no matter form or type you may elevate your existence, do it.

Katie: I like that. And I believe that sums up a whole lot of what we talked about in the present day and is an ideal place to wrap up. But I’m very grateful to your time in the present day. I’m very grateful that you’ve got recovered, and also you’re thriving, and that you just’re serving to many different individuals do the identical. Thank you for being right here.

Dr. Bawa: Thank you a lot for having me. This was fantastic.

Katie: And thanks as at all times to you, guys, for listening, for sharing your most precious property, your time and vitality, and a focus with us in the present day. We’re each so grateful that you just did, and I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the following episode of “The Wellness Mama Podcast.”

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